1 00:00:02,190 --> 00:00:34,709 [Music] 2 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:36,310 so again I want to thank everybody for 3 00:00:42,270 --> 00:00:39,840 coming uh really appreciate it and um I 4 00:00:45,310 --> 00:00:42,280 I forgot this morning to mention Dave 5 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:45,320 grush uh Dave can't be here because of 6 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:48,559 travel that he's doing right now but um 7 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:50,559 I want to remind everybody that he's uh 8 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:52,079 you know he was a partner in setting 9 00:00:56,950 --> 00:00:54,920 this up um and we're proud to be 10 00:01:04,479 --> 00:00:56,960 associated with him just so everybody 11 00:01:09,030 --> 00:01:06,710 [Applause] 12 00:01:10,910 --> 00:01:09,040 so what's 13 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:10,920 inevitable inevitably we're going to 14 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,000 come across something out there that is 15 00:01:20,069 --> 00:01:16,479 uh Alien I mean this's just be serious 16 00:01:23,069 --> 00:01:20,079 about it um or at least life let's say 17 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:23,079 um but how do we engage it and how do we 18 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:26,920 begin and so you know I 19 00:01:35,069 --> 00:01:32,520 think we start with the problem is 20 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:35,079 everything is made of Stardust right so 21 00:01:39,870 --> 00:01:38,280 how do we approach this um we don't 22 00:01:41,789 --> 00:01:39,880 understand the rules frankly of how it 23 00:01:45,350 --> 00:01:41,799 all goes together you know as a 24 00:01:46,870 --> 00:01:45,360 biologist I study the basic gears and 25 00:01:50,749 --> 00:01:46,880 principles of what goes on inside of a 26 00:01:56,029 --> 00:01:50,759 cell and then we basically figure out 27 00:01:59,389 --> 00:01:56,039 how it works um try to um and so I think 28 00:02:00,910 --> 00:01:59,399 of potential UAP materials as something 29 00:02:04,270 --> 00:02:00,920 that I can can approach with the same 30 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:04,280 methodologies that I have with uh cancer 31 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:07,360 research it's straightforward we just if 32 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:09,720 to analyze it but at what level do you 33 00:02:13,229 --> 00:02:12,000 analyze it so because we don't 34 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:13,239 understand the rules of how it all goes 35 00:02:19,470 --> 00:02:15,200 together and you know if you if you 36 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:19,480 think about uh avi's work with the 37 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:21,120 meteor from 38 00:02:26,070 --> 00:02:23,680 2014 um which seems to have a structural 39 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:26,080 Integrity that 40 00:02:31,509 --> 00:02:29,080 defies at least a good portion of the 41 00:02:34,589 --> 00:02:31,519 astrophysics community's 42 00:02:37,309 --> 00:02:34,599 desires um and then you think about what 43 00:02:38,990 --> 00:02:37,319 Kevin spoke about obviously somebody has 44 00:02:40,470 --> 00:02:39,000 an understanding of physics that we 45 00:02:42,270 --> 00:02:40,480 don't but that means that they're 46 00:02:45,070 --> 00:02:42,280 putting things together in ways that we 47 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:45,080 don't understand how they're doing it so 48 00:02:51,430 --> 00:02:47,480 let's back up here so technology 49 00:02:54,630 --> 00:02:51,440 invention Stanford and questions from 50 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:54,640 exobiology to Silicon Valley and biotech 51 00:02:59,350 --> 00:02:57,360 so in the department where I got my PhD 52 00:03:01,949 --> 00:02:59,360 uh there was a gentleman by the name of 53 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:01,959 Joshua leberg and he' got the Nobel 54 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:04,560 Prize for uh being the first to show how 55 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:06,319 bacteria have 56 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:10,560 sex um and so uh he was the chairman of 57 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:13,200 the department um but he was interested 58 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:17,640 in what's out there and so he pioneered 59 00:03:22,789 --> 00:03:19,280 the field of exobiology with one of the 60 00:03:25,470 --> 00:03:22,799 first papers on the subject um and then 61 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:25,480 he started proposing the Viking 62 00:03:31,470 --> 00:03:29,200 project uh and then uh he was appointed 63 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:31,480 oversight of that and he helped design 64 00:03:37,309 --> 00:03:35,400 it at the same time he was uh he was 65 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:37,319 recruiting other 66 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:40,680 scientists uh to the 67 00:03:46,470 --> 00:03:42,799 department a couple of which I'll talk 68 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:46,480 about in a moment so this is Lenard 69 00:03:50,309 --> 00:03:49,080 herzenberg Leonard was my PhD adviser 70 00:03:52,589 --> 00:03:50,319 along with Lee herzenberg they were a 71 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:52,599 husband wife team they were 72 00:03:58,229 --> 00:03:55,360 inseparable um and he invented the 73 00:04:01,229 --> 00:03:58,239 fluorescence activated cell order which 74 00:04:02,670 --> 00:04:01,239 is a remarkable device device uh that 75 00:04:04,229 --> 00:04:02,680 allows you to separate cells based on 76 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:04,239 fluoresence and when you get a blood 77 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:05,760 draw and you something comes back and 78 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:07,640 say you have this many cbcs or this many 79 00:04:13,869 --> 00:04:11,519 whatever it's using this instrument um 80 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:13,879 and but interestingly he capitalized on 81 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,560 the engineers who were still kind of 82 00:04:21,550 --> 00:04:18,959 they they sort of they Viking had been 83 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:21,560 launched or was around and but they had 84 00:04:29,469 --> 00:04:24,680 this amazing expertise to design things 85 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:29,479 at the micro scale so he he capitalized 86 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:31,600 that that flowmetry today because of 87 00:04:35,710 --> 00:04:33,280 those patents is a multi-billion dollar 88 00:04:37,749 --> 00:04:35,720 industry it is the root of all 89 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:37,759 immunology and all the things that I've 90 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:40,680 done have frankly been replicating many 91 00:04:46,909 --> 00:04:43,840 of the things that that uh Lee and Len 92 00:04:49,629 --> 00:04:46,919 have done but at more expansive 93 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:49,639 scales importantly to get that 94 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:52,639 technology out right I mean there's like 95 00:04:57,790 --> 00:04:55,880 this big thing be in academics you know 96 00:04:59,909 --> 00:04:57,800 socialism capitalism you know it's free 97 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,919 for everybody is whatever so but what 98 00:05:04,189 --> 00:05:02,000 Stanford realized along with Neils 99 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:04,199 reamers who was the uh head of the 100 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:06,360 Stanford office of Technology licensing 101 00:05:10,990 --> 00:05:07,919 who with Bertram Roland they come up 102 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:11,000 with a very unique patenting scheme that 103 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:14,880 enabled access while not giving away the 104 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:16,400 the farm 105 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:19,160 literally also in that department at the 106 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:20,960 same time was Stanley 107 00:05:27,350 --> 00:05:24,880 Cohen uh Stanley Cohen uh was the uh 108 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:27,360 basically the Cohen Boyer patents that 109 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:30,240 started the Biotech Industry 110 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,520 so I rotated with st in fact I came to 111 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:34,080 Stanford to work with him and but I 112 00:05:36,550 --> 00:05:35,360 ended up being more interested in the 113 00:05:41,469 --> 00:05:36,560 stuff going on in 114 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:41,479 lenslet so $35 billion overall so 115 00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:43,880 far okay and that was that was a lot of 116 00:05:48,670 --> 00:05:47,280 extra money to the Department of uh of 117 00:05:50,830 --> 00:05:48,680 genetics was one of the richest 118 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:50,840 departments on 119 00:05:57,550 --> 00:05:53,360 campus using the flow cytometer was this 120 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:57,560 guy Vernon oi he was my uh lab Mentor in 121 00:06:02,670 --> 00:05:59,520 in lens lab he was a postto more than 122 00:06:06,430 --> 00:06:02,680 than that he again had been an amazing 123 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:06,440 inventor so he along with Len and others 124 00:06:10,510 --> 00:06:08,720 uh invented what are called humanized 125 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:10,520 antibodies and those humanized 126 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:12,400 antibodies have gone on to 127 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:15,280 revolutionize cancer uh and autoimmune 128 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:16,800 disease 129 00:06:21,390 --> 00:06:19,160 work the impact there is in the 130 00:06:24,710 --> 00:06:21,400 trillions of dollars not just the sales 131 00:06:28,469 --> 00:06:24,720 of them but trillions and the lives 132 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,479 saved okay so here you have a question a 133 00:06:33,950 --> 00:06:31,120 simple question that set up a chain 134 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:33,960 reaction of opportunity a synchronistic 135 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:36,240 chain reaction right people right time 136 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:38,000 all in this one Department because of 137 00:06:43,350 --> 00:06:40,680 the closeness of those people right and 138 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:43,360 that proximity and access to information 139 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:45,960 is what drives it's the fuel of science 140 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:48,039 it's very important so and it all 141 00:06:51,469 --> 00:06:49,400 started with the 142 00:06:54,629 --> 00:06:51,479 question are we 143 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:54,639 alone right that that started it that is 144 00:07:00,309 --> 00:06:58,080 the reason all of this is here 145 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:00,319 right so 146 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:02,160 let's jump right into it as you all know 147 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:06,520 I've been interested in alleged UAP 148 00:07:12,550 --> 00:07:09,680 materials so how would you analyze 149 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:12,560 materials from a UAP well like I said 150 00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:14,240 before it's you take it apart piece by 151 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:15,759 piece you try to understand the 152 00:07:19,230 --> 00:07:17,440 components and you try to ask the 153 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:19,240 question why is this component here next 154 00:07:22,749 --> 00:07:21,120 to that component and what might they be 155 00:07:26,510 --> 00:07:22,759 doing with each 156 00:07:30,510 --> 00:07:26,520 other so but it's not just about that it 157 00:07:32,110 --> 00:07:30,520 was about that there's data out there 158 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:32,120 that something unusual is observed and 159 00:07:36,670 --> 00:07:34,960 the speakers this morning went over this 160 00:07:38,189 --> 00:07:36,680 and the evidence is collected in a crime 161 00:07:42,430 --> 00:07:38,199 scene and I got interested in it because 162 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:42,440 of this and so but as it turned out some 163 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:46,560 of this evidence appeared to come from 164 00:07:52,510 --> 00:07:49,720 uaps is it the steering wheel is it 165 00:07:54,510 --> 00:07:52,520 their version of a of a you know 166 00:07:55,589 --> 00:07:54,520 television screen what is it what do 167 00:07:57,990 --> 00:07:55,599 they leave behind and why do they leave 168 00:08:00,350 --> 00:07:58,000 it behind is the question so how do we 169 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:00,360 analyze it 170 00:08:06,149 --> 00:08:03,520 so I mean I won't go into all of the of 171 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:06,159 the uh this whole slide but I mean it's 172 00:08:11,589 --> 00:08:08,639 really about using the tools we already 173 00:08:14,230 --> 00:08:11,599 have and I happen to have M laboratory 174 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:14,240 tools that allow me to look at Metals um 175 00:08:21,869 --> 00:08:17,280 I'm not a metallist but I play one on 176 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:21,879 TV um but it's uh I had the tools and I 177 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:24,520 had the interest and I had a good friend 178 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:27,080 by the name of jacqu valet who brought 179 00:08:32,670 --> 00:08:29,560 me some of these materials cuz he said 180 00:08:34,829 --> 00:08:32,680 hey let's uh let's look at this and I 181 00:08:38,589 --> 00:08:34,839 should say right up front jacqu and Hal 182 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:38,599 POF Eric Davis col kellerer uh all those 183 00:08:43,910 --> 00:08:42,120 people frankly rescued me from the uh 184 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:43,920 the rabbit hole of 185 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:47,680 ufology uh because I was wandering and 186 00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:49,080 they said here's here's a guy who might 187 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:50,920 be he might we might be able to work 188 00:08:55,030 --> 00:08:53,440 with him so it's all about and also 189 00:08:56,829 --> 00:08:55,040 functional analysis just knowing what a 190 00:08:58,190 --> 00:08:56,839 thing How It's Made is not the same 191 00:09:00,470 --> 00:08:58,200 thing as knowing how it 192 00:09:03,389 --> 00:09:00,480 functions so but it needs that 193 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:03,399 interdisciplinary team that what 194 00:09:08,829 --> 00:09:05,640 happened in the department of 195 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:08,839 genetics okay so how do do science 196 00:09:18,150 --> 00:09:12,640 right um so where do we start this is 197 00:09:23,710 --> 00:09:20,990 mirror so where do we start let's get 198 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:23,720 this show on the road that's chat GPT I 199 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:24,680 love 200 00:09:31,190 --> 00:09:27,680 it um so the first case and this is the 201 00:09:32,630 --> 00:09:31,200 case that we published uh in uh 202 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:32,640 basically last year and it was with 203 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:38,920 Larry lmy uh a a post do of mine and um 204 00:09:45,870 --> 00:09:43,360 uh and uh well jacqu sorry and so again 205 00:09:48,550 --> 00:09:45,880 it's about the evidence you can't just 206 00:09:51,630 --> 00:09:48,560 take anybody's claim that something is 207 00:09:56,829 --> 00:09:51,640 the truth so this is one of the best and 208 00:09:59,710 --> 00:09:56,839 most widely observed at the time uh of 209 00:10:01,630 --> 00:09:59,720 cases um multiple Observers Etc I won't 210 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:01,640 go through them all it's not necessary 211 00:10:06,190 --> 00:10:04,440 but uh you know a hovering object and 212 00:10:08,110 --> 00:10:06,200 then something seems to sloth off and 213 00:10:09,949 --> 00:10:08,120 drop to the ground and some people were 214 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:09,959 like they were literally only with about 215 00:10:18,389 --> 00:10:13,880 500 or so feet from it so the police 216 00:10:19,710 --> 00:10:18,399 luckily were called um and uh and here's 217 00:10:21,790 --> 00:10:19,720 you know here's one of The Observers 218 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:21,800 down here in red another Observer 219 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:24,640 another Observer and this is where they 220 00:10:30,069 --> 00:10:27,720 ran to and what did they find this is 221 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:30,079 one of the actual original photo graphs 222 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:33,560 um we have them um and uh it's a big 223 00:10:38,269 --> 00:10:36,120 pool of metal that was in the process of 224 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:38,279 cooling okay so how did that how did 225 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:41,120 that get there so you know they went 226 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:44,279 through uh all of the possible reasons 227 00:10:48,670 --> 00:10:46,560 that could get there from hoaxes through 228 00:10:49,870 --> 00:10:48,680 thermite through a meteoric crash I mean 229 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:49,880 who would have think this is a meteor it 230 00:10:53,990 --> 00:10:51,200 would have left a 231 00:10:56,509 --> 00:10:54,000 hole um space debris re-entry all of 232 00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:56,519 these things were 233 00:11:00,910 --> 00:10:59,440 dismissed so uh but of course of course 234 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:00,920 it's just something sitting in the in 235 00:11:07,710 --> 00:11:05,040 the literature um and this is where we 236 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:07,720 published that paper um and just you 237 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:08,920 know so there's always this question I 238 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:11,760 get about reputational damage so suzun 239 00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:14,720 Jang is on this paper he's now Professor 240 00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:16,079 assistant professor at Harvard over in 241 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:19,279 the medical school didn't hurt 242 00:11:25,030 --> 00:11:22,200 him they fought for him there's suzon 243 00:11:26,949 --> 00:11:25,040 right there so the first technology that 244 00:11:28,509 --> 00:11:26,959 we brought to this is the one of the 245 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:28,519 ones that was developed in my lab 246 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:32,600 actually by mikeangelo who's here um 247 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:34,800 Michelangelo 248 00:11:39,269 --> 00:11:37,000 reincarnation and I nobody is I mean 249 00:11:41,509 --> 00:11:39,279 when he showed up in my lab uh he was I 250 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:41,519 thought he was crazy cuz he was all 251 00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:42,920 excited about something that he thought 252 00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:45,279 we could do and I thought you know what 253 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:49,440 it sounds possible so let's do it so we 254 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:51,760 took these materials this was we had a 255 00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:54,760 big chunk of this material we took five 256 00:11:58,910 --> 00:11:57,279 different pieces of it very small pieces 257 00:12:01,310 --> 00:11:58,920 because these things require tiny amount 258 00:12:02,629 --> 00:12:01,320 amounts of material to study because you 259 00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:02,639 don't want to look at just one thing if 260 00:12:06,110 --> 00:12:04,600 you can as long as if it's if it's 261 00:12:08,350 --> 00:12:06,120 relatively inexpensive you want to look 262 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:08,360 at multiple places you want to as we say 263 00:12:12,629 --> 00:12:10,079 when we're looking at the at the tumor 264 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:12,639 immune interface we want to sample the 265 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:15,839 we want to sample the ecosystem so took 266 00:12:20,269 --> 00:12:18,880 multiple things just to make sure so you 267 00:12:21,829 --> 00:12:20,279 know the first thing as you all know we 268 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:21,839 went and looked at isotope ratios we 269 00:12:26,189 --> 00:12:22,880 didn't find anything they looked 270 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:26,199 absolutely normal um but I I noticed 271 00:12:30,430 --> 00:12:27,880 something in these 272 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:30,440 signatures and those are the metals that 273 00:12:37,350 --> 00:12:34,720 came out is that the ratios of the 274 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:37,360 elements were different from one to the 275 00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:40,040 other right so that means it was not 276 00:12:45,509 --> 00:12:42,560 homogeneous somebody didn't put it in a 277 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:45,519 blender and make a you know make a a 278 00:12:51,189 --> 00:12:48,120 uniform distribution I mean if you're 279 00:12:53,389 --> 00:12:51,199 making a material for something and it 280 00:12:55,230 --> 00:12:53,399 is different in different 281 00:12:57,069 --> 00:12:55,240 places uh then you're going to have 282 00:13:00,750 --> 00:12:57,079 structural issues where one part might 283 00:13:03,790 --> 00:13:00,760 be uh less or more bendy than another or 284 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:03,800 more likely to crack Etc so that was 285 00:13:09,269 --> 00:13:07,000 interesting that means when this stuff 286 00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:09,279 when it was dumped there however it was 287 00:13:15,470 --> 00:13:11,399 but we'll take the word of the cuz it's 288 00:13:17,629 --> 00:13:15,480 fun right I mean speculation ends up 289 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:17,639 being a headline Stanford professor says 290 00:13:23,629 --> 00:13:20,519 Harvard professor says you know no it's 291 00:13:27,550 --> 00:13:23,639 speculation it's just a game to play in 292 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,560 your mind so you have these different 293 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:30,000 ratios which means that before it was 294 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:33,600 dumped out it was incompletely mixed so 295 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:34,639 what does that 296 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:38,720 mean how and why would you do that um I 297 00:13:41,629 --> 00:13:40,480 mean were you offloading something that 298 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:41,639 was 299 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:43,920 problematic you know we've all heard the 300 00:13:47,949 --> 00:13:46,040 stories about how these things might 301 00:13:49,389 --> 00:13:47,959 wobble and then something happens 302 00:13:52,430 --> 00:13:49,399 somebody another one shows up and they 303 00:13:53,389 --> 00:13:52,440 fix it and then they they go off merrily 304 00:13:56,749 --> 00:13:53,399 ever 305 00:13:58,910 --> 00:13:56,759 after so uh and these were just the 306 00:14:01,230 --> 00:13:58,920 ratios uh and and there they are so so 307 00:14:03,949 --> 00:14:01,240 they're not slightly different they're 308 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,959 completely different right so depend 309 00:14:07,710 --> 00:14:05,920 everywhere you look it's it's I I've 310 00:14:10,189 --> 00:14:07,720 explained it before like you have 311 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,199 chocolate and uh vanilla ice cream along 312 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:12,560 with strawberry you let it melt you give 313 00:14:16,110 --> 00:14:15,040 it a couple of Twirls and where you 314 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:16,120 where wherever you look there's going to 315 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:17,199 be a different 316 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:19,880 ratio so but so what can we conclude 317 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:20,880 from 318 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:23,320 this it's clearly the result of an 319 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,399 industrial process it's not the machine 320 00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:28,480 maybe it's exhaust maybe who who knows 321 00:14:31,710 --> 00:14:29,199 we 322 00:14:33,189 --> 00:14:31,720 know um it had incomplete mixing of 323 00:14:35,230 --> 00:14:33,199 components that's a 324 00:14:37,790 --> 00:14:35,240 conclusion right I always talk about 325 00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:37,800 data and conclusions that you know it's 326 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:39,839 about the data not the conclusion get 327 00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:42,040 another scientist to agree with the data 328 00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:44,000 that the data is real and now you get to 329 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:47,040 ask them why the onus is not entirely on 330 00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:49,800 you right there's there was no signs of 331 00:14:55,710 --> 00:14:51,720 any technology and no exotic isotope 332 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:55,720 ratios okay so you know can we look 333 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:57,600 deeper I mean that's a pretty high 334 00:15:02,230 --> 00:15:00,480 that's from from I mean from a you know 335 00:15:05,629 --> 00:15:02,240 a structural analysis point of view if 336 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:05,639 I'm talking about Atomic you know 337 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:08,800 machines this is like the 30,000 fot but 338 00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:11,440 it's what was available at the time and 339 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:14,519 it it wasn't really something that I had 340 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:16,959 uh thought about much but then you know 341 00:15:21,749 --> 00:15:19,360 can we do it this can we see can we see 342 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:21,759 smaller and why would we want to do that 343 00:15:26,189 --> 00:15:23,120 well like with the immune system in 344 00:15:28,230 --> 00:15:26,199 cancer cells the the proximity of where 345 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:28,240 one is relative to another actually 346 00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,360 predicts the outcome of the cancer and 347 00:15:36,829 --> 00:15:34,399 whether the therapy will work or not so 348 00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,839 we went to this instrument this is 349 00:15:44,670 --> 00:15:38,560 atomic probe 350 00:15:46,069 --> 00:15:44,680 is actually a very wellknown and used 351 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:46,079 technology but it's expensive and 352 00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:49,600 there's only a few of them around um but 353 00:15:53,790 --> 00:15:51,759 what it does is it literally takes the 354 00:15:56,110 --> 00:15:53,800 sample apart atom by atom about a th000 355 00:15:58,590 --> 00:15:56,120 atoms a second and it figures out where 356 00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:58,600 the threedimensional uh it's three 357 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:01,600 dimensional placement in 358 00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:04,959 that so so here's the here's the idea 359 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,839 you create an electric field electric 360 00:16:12,269 --> 00:16:09,120 field differential you set it up so that 361 00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:12,279 you are evaporating the sample and where 362 00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:15,199 it lands on the detector can be 363 00:16:20,269 --> 00:16:17,600 triangulated back to where it originated 364 00:16:23,150 --> 00:16:20,279 on the sample and so and what do you get 365 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:23,160 from that you get a 366 00:16:28,629 --> 00:16:25,440 map of where things 367 00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:28,639 are so there's this is the worlds at 368 00:16:38,269 --> 00:16:34,160 least public first uh UAP alleged 369 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:38,279 material uh studied at the atomic level 370 00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:42,480 and collected at the atomic level so 371 00:16:46,670 --> 00:16:44,519 this is uh the Council Bluffs it's a 372 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:46,680 tiny tiny thing I mean it's like it's 373 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:50,360 like uh literally two or three 374 00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:53,160 microns cubed but there's millions of 375 00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,240 atoms in there so I mean I knew that I 376 00:17:01,230 --> 00:16:58,560 wasn't going to find any structures but 377 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:01,240 this was an easy thing to start 378 00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,800 with uh and then you look at the you 379 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,439 look at the complexity of what's in 380 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,959 there so the first thing that for 381 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:08,000 instance they were trying to explain 382 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:09,480 this single way as as it's just 383 00:17:12,909 --> 00:17:10,799 Industrial Steel well it's not 384 00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:12,919 Industrial Steel now we now we literally 385 00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:15,120 have things that industrial Steels don't 386 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:17,160 normally 387 00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:21,280 contain but now we can go in and look 388 00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:24,319 closer so here for instance this is 3D 389 00:17:29,470 --> 00:17:26,880 now we're inside the structure I've 390 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:29,480 taken away the iron which is so 391 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:31,080 prevalent as to be would obscure 392 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:32,760 everything now we can see the position 393 00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,360 of where everything is right again this 394 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,080 is just a trial but now we get to see 395 00:17:42,669 --> 00:17:41,200 potential structure so I would say that 396 00:17:45,549 --> 00:17:42,679 if we're going to study any of these 397 00:17:47,470 --> 00:17:45,559 other materials that seem to have novel 398 00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:47,480 properties uh this would be the way to 399 00:17:53,789 --> 00:17:50,120 do it I had hoped to do the Bismuth 400 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,799 magnesium case uh before we we tried it 401 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,919 but it it fell apart in the instrument 402 00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,960 under the stress of the local forces it 403 00:18:01,549 --> 00:18:00,080 was just too to crumbly unfortunately 404 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:01,559 there's a way to fix that but we 405 00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:03,320 couldn't do it in time for 406 00:18:08,029 --> 00:18:05,919 this um because that would have been 407 00:18:09,549 --> 00:18:08,039 cool that I think that would have got a 408 00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:09,559 bunch of us jumping up and down but I'm 409 00:18:14,510 --> 00:18:12,760 going to do it anyway it's coming um so 410 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,520 you can look at all the individual atoms 411 00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:16,480 you can't really see it so much so those 412 00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,559 are uh the things that I showed you on 413 00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:20,000 the on the other page those are the 414 00:18:29,870 --> 00:18:21,039 individual 415 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:29,880 uh there's some hints of uh 416 00:18:34,669 --> 00:18:33,520 potential differences here um but it's 417 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:34,679 such 418 00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:38,760 early stages that um I don't dare repeat 419 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:40,679 I I don't dare say it until I repeat it 420 00:18:47,470 --> 00:18:43,320 there's a lot more I'm not an expert yet 421 00:18:49,390 --> 00:18:47,480 in AP but I will be um you know in this 422 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:49,400 and by the way this was uh so the 423 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:52,360 individual who's been helping me is uh 424 00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,679 Alex Bolton you've seen him around so uh 425 00:18:59,310 --> 00:18:57,919 he actually helped create uh all this 426 00:19:02,270 --> 00:18:59,320 analysis and because we just got the 427 00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,280 data Friday and while I was busy 428 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:04,640 frantically dealing with Stanford 429 00:19:14,669 --> 00:19:09,240 administrative messes um he he basically 430 00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:14,679 saved my bacon on that but there's data 431 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,559 right now this is data um material shows 432 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:19,840 no sign of 433 00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:22,280 Technology the material is clearly the 434 00:19:27,789 --> 00:19:24,960 result of an industrial process and it 435 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,799 was incompletely mixed okay so why again 436 00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,679 that's the the question you ask all the 437 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,919 time when you see data it's like why why 438 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:32,880 why would you do 439 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:36,080 it what could have generated it and why 440 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:37,360 would you dump it in the middle of a 441 00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:41,840 field in a small farming town in Iowa I 442 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:43,880 don't know I don't know the answers okay 443 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:45,400 so that's one 444 00:19:50,270 --> 00:19:48,440 case there's another famous case 445 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,280 ubatuba 446 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:53,280 1950s there's a primary witness but we 447 00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,720 don't have it never nobody ever had 448 00:19:59,789 --> 00:19:56,559 access to the primary witness but a 449 00:20:03,070 --> 00:19:59,799 Brazilian journalist who received the 450 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,080 evidence uh and again through uh the 451 00:20:07,870 --> 00:20:06,400 offices of of jacqu I was able to get 452 00:20:11,149 --> 00:20:07,880 access to some of this 453 00:20:13,149 --> 00:20:11,159 stuff um and this is actually what I 454 00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,159 don't quite understand is because as 455 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,640 you'll see from the result it was 456 00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:16,720 claimed to be pure 457 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:20,120 magnesium what I was given was not 458 00:20:25,310 --> 00:20:22,520 magnesium so but we have two things 459 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:25,320 called moisture a and moisture B that's 460 00:20:31,390 --> 00:20:28,960 Spanish for sample I think somebody said 461 00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:31,400 um told me and then this is the 462 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,880 instrument that we used highly accurate 463 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,120 Mass 464 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,960 spectrometer um and just you know this 465 00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:42,480 is how this is the beginning of sort of 466 00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:45,799 how science is done you you don't want 467 00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:47,320 to measure different things on different 468 00:20:52,669 --> 00:20:50,640 days because you want the experiment to 469 00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:52,679 be done under the most similar 470 00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,039 conditions that you can so those samples 471 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,120 two examples of each of those samples 472 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:01,440 along with a a zoo of other things that 473 00:21:06,350 --> 00:21:04,280 that jock happened to have um were put 474 00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,360 on this and then we did the 475 00:21:11,390 --> 00:21:08,400 analysis and I remember sitting there 476 00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:11,400 when they we they printed out the data I 477 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:14,480 was like I don't understand this I mean 478 00:21:18,430 --> 00:21:16,200 I hoped this something like this would 479 00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:18,440 happen but I never understood it um I 480 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,400 still don't so one of the samples 481 00:21:26,909 --> 00:21:24,400 claimed samples has you know pretty much 482 00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,919 exactly the natural thing we had two you 483 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,679 know two shards of each 484 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:32,080 the other one was way 485 00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:37,080 off way off I mean just no doubt um okay 486 00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:41,039 so why 1950s Isotopes if you mentioned 487 00:21:48,430 --> 00:21:44,960 Isotopes to a 1950s crowd they'd Duck 488 00:21:50,909 --> 00:21:48,440 and Cover right because Isotopes and 489 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,919 still humans use the like one of the 490 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,320 most important things we do is we make 491 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,440 nuclear bombs out of them um of course 492 00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,520 they're used uh in other for medical 493 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:00,159 purposes and tracing um but we don't 494 00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,200 have any chemical or material reasons to 495 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:08,080 use them so okay so what's what's going 496 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:12,640 on so one had not why change the isotope 497 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,360 ratios back then it was extraordinarily 498 00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,520 expensive to do these kinds of 499 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:19,799 separations it's still expensive I mean 500 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:22,440 my lab orders extremely small amounts of 501 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,720 different isotopes uh from the periodic 502 00:22:30,269 --> 00:22:28,320 from the the lanthanide series we use 503 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:30,279 them as tags in our biology experiments 504 00:22:37,310 --> 00:22:34,320 CU each of them is unique um so for the 505 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,320 uninitiated what are isotopes again this 506 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:39,760 is thank you chat GPT and it made some 507 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:43,240 things up of course but you know um the 508 00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,760 idea here is you know humans work with 509 00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,559 elements but somebody is playing with 510 00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:54,080 Isotopes so why would you play with 511 00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,799 Isotopes because they're supposed to be 512 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:56,960 the same that's what I was taught in 513 00:23:02,909 --> 00:23:00,480 chemistry well it turns out that's wrong 514 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:02,919 now people are starting to look at 515 00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,400 Isotopes because you have an extra 516 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,720 Neutron in the 517 00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:11,440 element and that changes the electronic 518 00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:13,679 configuration of the of the orbitals 519 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,559 just 520 00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:16,960 slightly and so in the right 521 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,520 circumstances having that difference 522 00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,440 would be sufficient to make a better 523 00:23:25,789 --> 00:23:24,120 Catalyst and so people pharmaceutical 524 00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:25,799 companies and others are starting to use 525 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:27,720 this starting to understand that hey 526 00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,880 there something interesting here silicon 527 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:33,840 some of the Isotopes of silicon make 528 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:37,960 better Cubit holders that last longer 529 00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:40,760 than others than the other three okay 530 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,080 so there it is I mean it's it's there 531 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:45,760 plants use it actually it's it's really 532 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,840 fascinating um so there's something yet 533 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,320 to be 534 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:53,520 understood okay so this was the first 535 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,039 time that I had gone beyond just 536 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,200 magnesium uh looking at the UB Tu 537 00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,240 material and even though we we looked at 538 00:24:04,029 --> 00:24:02,799 the Magnesium because is that instrument 539 00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,039 that I just showed you can see down to 540 00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,880 the parts per million um we were looking 541 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,120 at that level when I looked at this it 542 00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,200 was almost entirely pure 543 00:24:17,950 --> 00:24:13,600 silicon okay well what's the natural 544 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:17,960 state of silicon uh sand silicon oxide 545 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,200 quartz things like that um it doesn't 546 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:24,000 come prepackaged as 547 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:28,840 99 yeah 99.999 395 you just don't get it 548 00:24:35,789 --> 00:24:31,640 so why is somebody 549 00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:35,799 tossing that level of Purity around uh 550 00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:36,799 because again it would be that would be 551 00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:39,480 expensive to make um so why would you 552 00:24:44,110 --> 00:24:42,720 why would you do it so again we go in 553 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,120 and we're collecting this data and by 554 00:24:47,789 --> 00:24:46,440 the way I'm showing all of this because 555 00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,799 all of this will be going eventually on 556 00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:49,799 the web and I want to do this with every 557 00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,590 legally like I'll be like Lou and and 558 00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,080 Chris sneaking something out the 559 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:04,480 back they weren't I'm I'm sorry Chris is 560 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:05,600 going to kill 561 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,559 me 562 00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:09,240 um 563 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:17,760 percent there's lots of other things in 564 00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,960 there but the vast majority is silicon 565 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:22,720 the reason why it shows as lower is 566 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:25,200 because I broke it down into the Silicon 567 00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:29,320 um uh Isotopes and they're their natural 568 00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:33,080 levels so here again is the 3D where we 569 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:35,720 can go inside and you know so one of the 570 00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,440 next things to do is to say well is 571 00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,720 there is there any sort of strange 572 00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,039 placement of the atom so those are the 573 00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,200 three uh nucleotides and is there a 574 00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,480 likelihood for one thing to be near 575 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:50,000 another and that's what we do again in 576 00:25:53,389 --> 00:25:51,360 Immunology we look for certain cell 577 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,399 types that are more or less likely to 578 00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,520 associate with each other and that tells 579 00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,279 you that huh if that happened above 580 00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,760 statistic iCal chance then there's 581 00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:01,600 probably a reason for it things don't 582 00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:04,200 happen usually in biology by 583 00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,080 coincidence um the two samples are 584 00:26:11,710 --> 00:26:09,039 pretty much within statistical certainty 585 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:11,720 to be similar to each other so that's 586 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,000 interesting um so even though they came 587 00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,120 from separate chains of custody uh 588 00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,279 there's enough data here at least to say 589 00:26:24,510 --> 00:26:22,640 that whoever prepared this stuff uh 590 00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,520 either had identical preparation 591 00:26:32,389 --> 00:26:27,000 techniques or it came and was broken and 592 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,870 custody again it's data no sign of 593 00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,320 Technology but certainly signs of an 594 00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,760 industrial process and that's important 595 00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:44,279 so I mean and I'm I'm saying this thing 596 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,000 about the Silicon if anybody can tell me 597 00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:49,840 why pure silicon should be thrown around 598 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:53,640 a beach in you know Brazil I want to 599 00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,600 hear it you know um so the material is 600 00:27:02,190 --> 00:26:59,600 was clearly a result of an industrial 601 00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,200 process it wasn't found randomly nobody 602 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,440 found it on the side of a road it was 603 00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,320 associated with an 604 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,159 event and that's important here and uh 605 00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,200 because that coincidence it doesn't 606 00:27:19,710 --> 00:27:16,480 prove that it's anything but it but it 607 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:21,909 interesting unusual levels of pure 608 00:27:26,350 --> 00:27:24,200 silicon with 609 00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:26,360 contaminants so again what what would 610 00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:28,679 you do so the the the event was somebody 611 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,440 saw something with supposedly with 612 00:27:33,789 --> 00:27:32,320 lights and then it dropped something 613 00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:33,799 which 614 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,039 exploded 615 00:27:41,509 --> 00:27:37,679 okay 616 00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:41,519 why right what why what what's going on 617 00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,080 I don't understand um because on the one 618 00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,440 hand we have these metals that drop I 619 00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,120 have I have another sample of something 620 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,960 from Australia uh there's a couple of 621 00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:54,960 other a couple of other uh 622 00:28:02,549 --> 00:27:58,679 events um that actually are dropping 623 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,559 molten objects so there's a reason to 624 00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:05,760 offload something again I'm speculating 625 00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:07,960 there's a reason to offload something 626 00:28:12,669 --> 00:28:10,120 but every time they do it it it ends up 627 00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:12,679 being slightly different so does that 628 00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,120 tell you that there's many ways to 629 00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,880 achieve a similar goal right so that's 630 00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,399 kind of sort of back engineering the 631 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,480 thought process of why would you why 632 00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,799 would you do something like 633 00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:25,919 this so here's another case very famous 634 00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:28,840 case sakuro again this is something from 635 00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:29,960 from 636 00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,240 jacqu uh on an Indian Reservation the uh 637 00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:36,799 police officer was in was an Indian was 638 00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,200 Indian um he's driving along uh he hears 639 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:43,799 a noise he sees something a shiny object 640 00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,600 in a 641 00:28:52,269 --> 00:28:48,080 field he observes little people outside 642 00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,279 of the object the object takes off kind 643 00:28:57,549 --> 00:28:55,200 of with a burst of flame um you know and 644 00:28:59,710 --> 00:28:57,559 of course when people tried to debunk it 645 00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,720 he's they said he he saw the star 646 00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:02,000 something or other you know he's a he's 647 00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,360 a trained Observer he's a policeman 648 00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:07,600 right so 649 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,159 um he didn't want to talk about it so he 650 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:13,760 wasn't seeking publicity he just did it 651 00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:17,120 so I so jacqu had a piece he gave it to 652 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,640 me um 653 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,200 and you know again we take an electron 654 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,080 microscopy everything looks like it's 655 00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,360 you know from another planet uh under uh 656 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:28,640 under electron 657 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,240 microscope um very simple aluminum zinc 658 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,720 mostly and some 659 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,880 contaminants but the aluminum and the 660 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:38,640 zinc are in different 661 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,720 places so this is at a a a distance so 662 00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,960 there it is so there's the aluminum on 663 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:47,919 the top there's the zinc on the bottom 664 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,399 or vice versa no zinc is zinc's the 665 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:53,120 green yes but it's it's differently 666 00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,320 distributed it's the contaminants that 667 00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:56,799 are interesting that's what I'm 668 00:30:00,430 --> 00:29:57,960 interested in 669 00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,440 cuz they're kind of a signature they is 670 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,640 are they uniformly distributed 671 00:30:09,789 --> 00:30:05,880 throughout the thing meaning or are they 672 00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:09,799 somehow next to each other so we looked 673 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,440 at that so now if I look in the aluminum 674 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,000 on the top again it's incredibly pure it 675 00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:20,159 has like a single oxygen molecule amidst 676 00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:20,960 a 677 00:30:30,269 --> 00:30:26,240 why would you do it it's 678 00:30:34,509 --> 00:30:30,279 attached to a zinc thing underneath 679 00:30:39,789 --> 00:30:34,519 which has some aluminum in it but look 680 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:41,789 distributed right there's like a cluster 681 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:43,880 R it over here is that because they have 682 00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:47,480 a junky recipe they didn't mix it right 683 00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:51,440 it just is but 684 00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,110 know again 685 00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,760 this case I mean this is clear clear 686 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,760 sign of engineering I mean the interface 687 00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:04,559 between those things is is like exact 688 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,200 down to the 689 00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,240 atom it's cuded the result of an 690 00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:11,679 industrial process so this of course is 691 00:31:16,509 --> 00:31:14,360 not the only way to look at atoms or 692 00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:16,519 looking at materials at an ultra high 693 00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,000 resolution there's many other of these 694 00:31:26,669 --> 00:31:22,559 kinds of devices uh that do different 695 00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:26,679 things but none of them have the uh 696 00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,480 exact ude that an AP has because they 697 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:35,279 provide at the five or so angstrom scale 698 00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,399 and they're getting better um and so I 699 00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:40,559 won't go into all of the others but why 700 00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,600 why do I show a table like that um 701 00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,039 because we're actually starting a new 702 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:49,519 initiative uh starbust Stardust 703 00:31:54,990 --> 00:31:52,960 repository taking a page from AI 704 00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,000 everything is made of 705 00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,159 Stardust setting up standardized IED 706 00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:00,960 testing so basically creating a 707 00:32:06,269 --> 00:32:03,960 Federation of other scientists to whom 708 00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:06,279 we can go and pass the material along 709 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,519 because doing all the things you want to 710 00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:10,240 do would cost a bazillion dollars so you 711 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,120 have to have other people doing it more 712 00:32:18,029 --> 00:32:15,440 or less for free um or at least at at 713 00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:18,039 Cost uh I mean by the way that thing 714 00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:19,320 that I all those things I showed you 715 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:20,279 that was 716 00:32:25,789 --> 00:32:24,200 $40,000 to do that at a service center 717 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:25,799 down in San Jose that does it and uses 718 00:32:30,629 --> 00:32:29,080 it for microelectron 719 00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:30,639 deep vetting make sure we're no one's 720 00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:33,320 sending us junk uh and again it's it's 721 00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:35,399 about I can't look at everything and 722 00:32:40,629 --> 00:32:37,399 know the answers but I want to get the 723 00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:40,639 data out there so everybody can maybe 724 00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:44,600 somebody will will do it maybe my nephew 725 00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,120 here who's interested in science will do 726 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:50,760 it um I'll help 727 00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:54,600 him so uh organized under a public 728 00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:56,039 umbrella 729 00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,600 operation maybe that might induce 730 00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,200 somebody who has something claimed on 731 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:03,720 the inside to bring it out and say hey 732 00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,200 why don't you help us with this right 733 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,159 and actually AI did exactly this with 734 00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:10,080 the materials that they brought back 735 00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,080 from um the South Pacific you know 736 00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:14,720 sending it around to other people but 737 00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,840 now I I I want to standardize it and 738 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,519 give other people they don't H other 739 00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:21,279 people don't need to participate in what 740 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:22,600 we're doing but I want to put out sets 741 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:24,639 of protocols by which other people can 742 00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:25,960 do it so they don't have to reinvent the 743 00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:27,960 wheel 744 00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,559 so you know funded by gifts or grants 745 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:32,799 help 746 00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,200 please um and uh you know the data 747 00:33:39,870 --> 00:33:38,080 freely available but I mean we do want 748 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,880 to also respect and this is the biology 749 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:41,760 Community has gone through this at Great 750 00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:45,200 depth uh where um you get these big 751 00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,159 consortia you collect the data 752 00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:49,039 everybody's freaking out because they 753 00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,279 want to write the 754 00:33:55,629 --> 00:33:52,480 paper um and so you got to give them 755 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,639 time to write the paper uh but there's 756 00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:57,600 there's at the end of it 757 00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,399 uh the deadlines as you know we we 758 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,399 public we put it out there publicly um 759 00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,120 after uh one or two years and that's 760 00:34:08,510 --> 00:34:06,559 fine because frankly collecting the data 761 00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:08,520 is the easy part understanding it's the 762 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,679 hard part you know we spend months with 763 00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:12,720 bioinformatics and thinking about it 764 00:34:19,629 --> 00:34:15,919 trying to figure it out so you know I'm 765 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:19,639 imagining now 30 years from now and this 766 00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,320 is my 767 00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:23,599 warehouse uh where I've collected all of 768 00:34:27,629 --> 00:34:25,720 these materials and actually we've used 769 00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,639 some of them to help analyze those 770 00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:30,159 materials right is there a discovery to 771 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:34,960 be made so uh this I think is an 772 00:34:40,750 --> 00:34:38,040 important Endeavor I can't do it all I'm 773 00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:40,760 not a metallist but I think there's lots 774 00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,919 of I get now increasing numbers of 775 00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:45,359 emails from people saying how can I 776 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:48,440 help I'm getting the sign I'm 777 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:50,310 done thank